Agenda THU APR 13

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  1. dunkindonuts10 says:

    Rhetoric is salesmanship-insist we work in broad categories-lagos, pathos, ethos
    objective of an academic essay-to convince somebody of something, reinforcing the belief somebody already has
    an argument is not won in the introduction but it can still be lost
    -have useful information or illustration
    2. #3
    4. #1
    depersonalize-do not talk to reader as if you know how they think and feel
    “the same ATHLETES who”…
    -“the same athletes who use such technologies as altitude chambers without any moral concerns”
    -“These are the same athletes who may be more likely to use stimulant or anabolic steroid products in attempts to catch up on training and conditioning regimens”
    -“Since the body perceives all stress as the same, athletes who want to perform their best should make sure their lives outside of their sports are stress-free “

  2. kingoflizards says:

    -Rhetoric is salesmanship. I drew this parallel on my own last week when we were talking about how writing is just getting somebody to read the next word. Using as little words as possible, authors have to “sell” their idea to the reader without disinteresting them.
    -Give the readers a chance to try out your idea. Grip their attention, and then get the message across.
    -Loosing the attention of the reader is much easier than gripping them until the end.
    -Find illustrations of ideas in simple ways, like with the seed example.
    -Forget your personal feelings to better the paper. People will often feel attacked if their opinion is challenged. Using terms like “those same liberals” will put all liberal readers on the defensive.
    -Make the readers feel welcome. “let them be on the right side with you.” Show them the “correct” way of thinking, and do not alienate anybody while doing so.

  3. therealjohnsanchez says:

    Logos- logic
    pathos- emotion
    ethos- ethics
    The introduction should provide useful information or illustrations that are completely relevant to the argument of the essay.
    Don’t attack your reader. Don’t tell your reader what they feel or think. Don’t straw man them. Don’t use prejudices or stereotypes of a group.
    The audience is the people who don’t agree with you. Make friends with them. Let them have the chance to change their mind and agree with you.

  4. chippy1313 says:

    -rhetoric is salesmanship
    -the best introductions provide useful information or illustrations completely relevant to the argument of the essay
    -In class exercise: 4,3,2,1
    -the quickest way to lose an argument is to put readers on the defensive
    -avoid using the phrase “the same (group of people) who”
    -I thought this lecture was very helpful and clear

  5. greeneggsandham234 says:

    lessons in rhetoric
    -logos, pathos, ethos
    logos is appeal to logic
    pathos is appeal to emotion
    ethos is appeal to ethics
    -now if we are asked by someone of power, we did in fact cover this

    -our job in academic essay is to convince somebody in something
    -essays, are like selling a car, we are trying to sell our opinions to the readers
    -the introduction should contain enough of the argument so the reader knows what to expect
    -the conclusion should have gotten us to the argument
    -of the reader just reads the intro and the conclusion, he should know what the argument is
    -an introduction should include, useful information or illustrations completely relevant to the argument of the essay

    -don’t make enemies because it is the quickest way to lose an argument
    -dont annihilate anyone, try to find a hypocrite that both sides can agree upon
    -don’t go out of your way to insult a certain group
    -don’t use terms like, “those same liberals” or “those same conservatives”
    -play towards both sides or you will lose your argument immediately

  6. aeks123 says:

    The purpose of an academic essay is to get someone to “try out” a new idea. It’s important to start out with a strong introduction that doesn’t confuse readers. Introductions should provide useful information or illustrations that are completely relevant to the argument of the essay. We should be able to read an introduction and conclusion and be able to gather a general summary of the essay.

    Make friends while writing by not making essays personal. Don’t stereotype entire groups of people by stating what you think they believe because Not everybody in a group believe the exact same things.

  7. starbucks732 says:

    -you have to try something out for a while to get to your final decision on what you want to write about
    -well prepared for the argument you are going to experience in the body of the essay
    -introduction should contain enough of the argument itself so we know what to expect in the conclusion
    -an argument cannot be won in the introduction but it can be lost
    -by confusing readers with irrelevant information
    -start with an anniversary claim OR
    -start with a thesis statement argument
    -Reduce your thesis to one sentence and start with it
    -introduction should include useful information relevant to the argument of the essay
    -best approach is to de-personalize personal subjects
    -do not talk to your reader as if you know how they think and feel

  8. studentwriter1212 says:

    it is important not to make enemies of the readers of the people. it is important to depersonalize the issues being talked about.
    keep the emotions out of the paper and be careful not to stereotype.
    its important to pick a certain specific issue so people do not feel antagonized.

  9. thecommonblackhawk says:

    Rhetoric is salesmanship

    Essays give an opportunity to try a new idea. Offer enough information up front so the conclusion is clear.
    Good essays bring you back to where you began. A good summary should be presented through the opening and conclusion combined.

    An argument cannot be won in the introduction but it can be lost.

    Question 1: Version 4
    Question 2: Version 3
    Question 3: Version 2
    Question 4: Version 1

    Back off the personal writing !
    Nothing worse than telling the reader how the reader feels.
    Be careful of stereotypes
    Make friends. Don’t antagonize those who you are trying to win over
    First way to make friends is to not make enemies.

    Remove people from the equation
    If people are included, have them on the record.

    Good lesson, I learned a lot. The car example in the beginning was great.

  10. nickalodeansallthat says:

    Began class with a discussion on Logos Ethos and Pathos and how it can effect and relate to writing. When then discussed the rhetoric of a sales man and how it’s 40% ingraining a similiar idea into someone then 60% convincing them otherwise. There are many different places and things that people can choose from but generally people stick to a certain set of things and ignore everything else. These things genererly relate to that individuals Logos Ethos or Pathos. When then discussed how and why we shouldn’t make enemies in writing. Starting a sentence off with somethin like “those same…” is an instant read flag for the reader. Any arguement that starts like that is destined for failure due to it being weak and upsetting the reader. When you write something, don’t just assume the reader is on your side, writing should be about the reader taking a test ride in the idea you present, so lumping them with a general group with upset them, and cause them to start to glance over the essay you have written.

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