Agenda TUE FEB 14

  • Side-by-side Revision History
  • [Failed to Reply]
    • Search for Failed to Reply Feedback on your Posts.
    • Respond in class today, or before the end of the day.
  • Professor Conference
    • Make an Appointment during class today.
    • Choose any date in February.
  • (Hypo)Thesis Lecture
  • How To Avoid Plagiarism
    • Preview in class today.
    • Study on your own time.
    • Graded inclass exercise will follow THU FEB 16.



37 Responses to Agenda TUE FEB 14

  1. therealmoana says:

    Omit needless words

  2. therealjohnsanchez says:

    Omit needless words.
    No need to keep old drafts. WordPress saves them.
    Remember to reply to feedback
    Make a writing appointment in February
    Start research project early

    Confirmation bias
    Looking for evidence with a confirmation bias is a waste of time
    The loser of an argument gains knowledge/personal growth
    You can always find proof to support an opinion
    A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.

    • therealjohnsanchez says:

      Change your thesis or opinion to match the facts. Don’t change the facts to match the thesis.
      Winning is proving that the facts support a meaning thesis
      Losing is find evidence that supports our bias.
      Scientists have engineered mice that don’t get addicted to cocaine. They don’t learn to crave cocaine even though it makes them feel good. It is because of a protein made in the brain. Shows addiction has a genetic component. They were trying to make instant addicts but made non-addicts.
      To paraphrase, read original and don’t look at it again before writing it. Read multiple sources and then paraphrase.

  3. chancetoremember says:

    -omit needless words
    -you are able to go back and see your past drafts and compare them with newer drafts as well as final copies
    -decide on your topic now so that you have more time to do research on the topic and create a hypothesis
    -get as much information as possible earlier rather than later
    -need to find factual evidence to support your topic/thesis, but not necessarily to defend your opinion
    -want to be able to look at things from both sides with factual evidence from both sides while supporting your thesis
    -it is most important to provide the truth through facts, not proof
    -we should not only value evidence that supports our thesis, we need to value all types of evidence. It is important to look at all types of evidence for different opinions and views.
    -do not draw conclusions before you start writing and researching
    -do not be blinded to alternative points of view
    -be open to new information
    -abandon prejudice and be scientific
    -phrase your hypothesis as a question not a thesis that is to be proved
    -choose the facts before you choose the thesis

    • davidbdale says:

      These are very strong notes, Chance. They’re not unique or surprising, but I would have no doubt, looking back at them months from now, what it was I wanted to remember from the class I attended. I hope there was something of value for you here, not just “rules” to record. Our feedback interactions give me hope that the process is useful. Your response?

  4. kingoflizards says:

    -Be brief in writing, but not too brief. When things are said too briefly, they sound unimportant.
    -To make brief things sound important, say them three times.
    -Omit needless words
    -When writing the research paper, look for truth. Try to learn from it.
    -There will always be proof for what you are looking for, but is significantly less valuable about researching WITHOUT looking for proof. Find something unexpected or unknown.
    -Change your thesis depending on what you find. Only if it is good for your paper.
    -Be ready to be swayed in influenced at the beginning. Your opinion will change slightly or drastically depending on what you find in your research.
    -Let go of your little bit of knowledge on the topic. Stay as open minded as possible.
    -change the thesis to match the thesis, do not alter or choose the facts to match the thesis.
    -Be willing to give up your original thesis. An evolving thesis is a key to a good paper.

    • davidbdale says:

      I’m slightly dismayed but also tremendously encouraged that I apparently delivered only one piece of advice in 75 minutes today. Be willing to change your mind might be the best advice ever given to research writers! If that’s all I communicated in over an hour . . . well, I didn’t waste the hour!

      I look forward to our conference, Lizard. I have the impression you’re an inventive thinker. Since my primary goal in every course is to enjoy the heck out of myself, I’m hopeful we’ll strike some sparks discussing your (hypo)thesis.

  5. torthey says:

    -The elements of style: OMIT NEEDLESS WORDS
    – timeline for revisions
    – reply to comments
    – language acquisition takes time
    – difference between researching to prove and researching to investigate
    – winner of the argument is the person who comes away with a better understanding of the truth
    – not cherry picking evidence to support idea
    – we can always find “proof”; very little value
    – researching to discover
    – a little knowledge is dangerous; forms prejudices
    – put the thesis at the end of the research
    – leave yourself open to influence
    – as long as something is proven
    – evolving hypothesis
    – whatever you can prove is a wonderful thing

    • davidbdale says:

      I love these notes, torthey. They recall the entire content of today’s conversation to me. That said, I know that content better than anyone. Are the notes enough to bring back the context you might need to refresh your memory?

      I remain committed to your success, torthey, but I grow increasingly concerned by your delinquency. We had a very reasonable understanding that you would keep up with current assignments and backfill the earlier work as time permitted. I will never object if we keep to that deal. But if you fall behind on current assignments, I will lose confidence that you’ll ever make up the backlog.

      You’re really bright; that’s obvious. You’re also tremendously overworked. I get it. This class is not—and probably shouldn’t be—your first priority. That’s fine too. The only wrong move here is to deny the difficulty. Talk to me more often, torthey. Make small advances. Keep me in your loop. I’m a born collaborator with a fetish for helping anyone who asks. But I also make unilateral choices in cases where I’m left in the dark.

  6. nickalodeansallthat says:

    Today we started out by talking about a simple quote from EB White which is simply “skip needless words” which essentially translates to if you want good writing don’t add useless fluff.
    We went over how to properly edit a post with the side by side revision history, and it really is a helpful too because it shows all the changes you’ve made and you can undo and add very easily. When you’re reading into something to prove a point I.e. The research topic, you should selectively read and cherry pick, it isn’t a learning experience it’s a pursuit. The point is to convince and persuade people with facts and solidified knowledge. When you try an argue a point you win when you’ve had your eyes open to the other points of view with the topic and can relate it to your own.
    You should go into a paper with the mind set that your topic is a hypothesis. You can still have a good paper and discover that your topic is completely wrong, the important thing is that you discovered th issues with said topic and learned from the research. You should also go into a paper unbiased, a bad paper is a biased one because you can never make a compelling argument without looking at the scene completely. Driving to prove your hypothesis in one light then that isn’t an expierment for the paper it’s just goin through the motions.

    • davidbdale says:

      You eventually settle into what sounds like a reasonable defense of keeping an open mind and letting the research dictate what thesis can be proved, Nick, but I had to strike a couple of Notes that sounded very much like advice that we should pay attention only to sources that support our prejudices. You probably didn’t mean that. Forgive me if I harmed your recollection of today’s conversation. You can Edit back to the original if needed.

  7. chippy1313 says:

    -omit needless words in your essays
    -you can put your first draft and your final draft side by side in the edit section to see exactly what changes have been made
    -reply to comments
    -if you know in advance you are determined to do something, then you will read selectively and ignore work that is contrary
    -don’t look for proof instead look for something that both sides can see value in
    -go into this project with an open mind
    -first abandon your prejudice. Next be scientific. Begin with hypothesis. Thesis comes last.
    -you win by proving that the facts we gathered support a meaningful thesis
    -when paraphrasing make sure to still include the source and where it came from to avoid plagiarism at both the top and bottom of the paragraph you are paraphrasing
    -The easiest way to avoid plagiarism is to directly cite the source
    -the best way to avoid plagiarism is to read the original source and then let a day go by without looking at it again and then paraphrase what you can remember.

    • davidbdale says:

      Good sound advice, Chippy. Was there anything about today’s material that made you re-examine your approach to research papers? You could earn the last point on Notes with a thoughtful reply.

      • chippy1313 says:

        Yes I think I need to look deeper into this research paper and look for something unexpected and something that is out of the ordinary like the example you used about how Seaworld actually is beneficial to the orcas in captivity. I am now rethinking my subject because I want to make it more counterintuitive in a way that would be shocking to people

  8. dunkindonuts10 says:

    Keep track of the people I have or have not received work from.
    If continue to edit work, everything will be saved automatically. Can see the changes you made from the beginning to most recent work you have done.
    Make sure to reply to feedback given to me. (before the end of the day)**
    Professor Conferences- make an appointment before spring break-in February
    Determine to prove something-read selectively, find sources that talk about your point of view
    -ignore the opposite findings, find the ones that support
    -shut out other possibilities that would change our mind

    Admit that do not know everything we thought we know and look for evidence (hypothesis)
    thesis to be proved- not find any other information to oppose your side
    Can prove something from the hypothesis-“win”
    Plagiarism- what it is and what it is not
    Paraphrasing-read original
    How to avoid plagiarism

    • davidbdale says:

      Dunkin, I apologize if I did damage to your notes by striking some “rules,” but they are the precise opposite of what I would recommend. You may have meant them as reminders of what happens when we adopt a thesis too early and waste our time searching for evidence to prove our prejudices, but they don’t read that way. I don’t want you coming back to these later thinking I suggested you ignore sources that are contrary to your opinion.

  9. starbucks732 says:

    -need to make changes by clicking edit and respond to feedback
    -schedule an appointment for a Professor conference
    -begin research paper with hypothesis
    -the thesis comes after
    -what is plagiarism and what is not
    -avoid plagiarism: quote and paraphrase

  10. romanhsantiago says:

    omit needless words. read over and over and delete them.
    We could always go back to our first draft. Revisions show when we make edits to our post.
    Remember to reply to the comments and advice given by professor Dale. So that he knows he has our attention.
    Must make an appointment before the end of February.
    While researching our topics we must go in with an open mind to all sources used rather than cherry picking arguments and only looking for our ideas because then we will not be learning anything. AVOID THESIS BLINDNESS!!!!
    Abandon prejudice admit that we might not know everything and research a topic to enrich our opinion.
    State Thesis as open ended explanation.
    Be scientific and avoid the same result follow the instructions but the point is to come to new conclusions not a reoccurring one. There is no failing conclusion only inconclusive conclusions.
    Proving something is the ultimate goal to make our research valuable.
    We win by proving that facts support our thesis.
    1)i could be wrong
    2) i could be right but there could be another side to my point of view.
    3) i could be completely right and i learned nothing.
    Read the original then remove the source from in front of you then paraphrasing will be easier and less influenced by the source avoiding plagiarism.
    Cite the source to avoid plagiarism.

    • davidbdale says:

      Roman, this is the first time I get the sense you’re really grappling with the content of the course and working out opinions for yourself. You may not always earn the top grade for notes, but today you’ve shown me something. Is it possible I started to get through to you in a way you didn’t expect from a composition course? I would love to know your reaction.

  11. nobinaryneeded says:

    First drafts are awful. They’re nothing compared to what we can actually do.
    Omit needless words
    Identify sources that sound as if they will support the POV we’ve declared
    Cherry pick the sources that seem most valuable to us
    It’s all opinionated, so we need to argue in our papers.
    Winner of the argument walks away understanding better, what’s true.
    We’re not going into a project, hunting for evidence to prove ourselves right.
    We’re looking for evidence to answer a question to make a contribution to a controversial issue.
    Thesis -> makes us look for stuff, but makes us ignore possibilities that might change our mind. Keep an open mind that your hypothesis (thesis) might change, and/or be incorrect.
    Be suspicious of knowledge that you have on the subject already. It causes us to believe that we know a subject well enough to make conclusions before beginning the writing. It blinds us to an alternative POV.
    Test a theory, stay open to persuasion.
    If we repeat procedure and get same result, more comfortable we are with the outcome.
    How can we make this true to other people?
    Follow conclusions the evidence forces on you
    We could be entirely wrong about our thesis
    We start with an opinion, experience growth, and end up with a conclusion, whether proving our opinion, or disproving our opinion. Either way, we learned something.
    Stay open to prove anything. “We win by proving that the facts we have gather support a meaningful thesis”
    We lose if we waste the semester searching for truth of our opinions, and learning nothing.
    Don’t be afraid to alter your point of view.
    Fool proof method for paraphrasing. Read the original, put it in another room, then paraphrase. Absorb it, paraphrase what you remember

    • davidbdale says:

      I wish you could edit my Reply to your Notes, NoB. That would close a perfect Feedback Loop. I wonder what you’d do. I struck a couple of yours that sounded like early impressions you might want to have abandoned in light of later information. And I highlighted what sounded to me like the best possible summary of today’s class.

      But I welcome your argument if you’re inclined to disagree.

  12. aeks123 says:

    Omit needless words!

    To revise a writing piece, don’t create a new post. Edit it in the same post. All changes will be saved and you can look at them at any time. By the end of the day, respond to all posts that have “failed to reply” under them.

    If pick an argument you are committed to prove, you read selectively. You pick sources that already support your side of the argument. This method is somewhat a waste of time, and you don’t learn anything. It’s important to walk away from an argument finding out what’s true. Finding proof of your oringinal side has little value.

    When creating a thesis, be careful of drawing conclusions before you start writing. It’s acceptable to draw conclusions at the end, but a thesis should be an “open-ended search for truth.” Alter your thesis to match the facts instead of choosing the facts to match your thesis.
    -Avoid prejudice-don’t attack one side, and decide that your opponents are worth less than you.
    -Be scientific-The point of an experiment isn’t to get a specific result, and whether or not it matches our predictions doesn’t matter. We should have the same mindset when making a thesis.
    -Begin with a Hypothesis-read as much about the broad topic as you can, then gradually make your research more specific to find a counterintuitive angle. If you don’t find anything counterintuitive, it doesn’t matter because if you proved something you didn’t know before, it’s successful.
    -Thesis comes last- You have to be willing to give up the opinion you originally had in mind.

    paraphrasing: read the original and absorb the information. Don’t have the source at hand because you will probably copy more than you anticipated.

    • davidbdale says:

      If you’re just noting what you heard in class, Aeks, and repeating it for me here, I accept that completely. We train students to do just that. We grade them on how well they do that. You know that better than most students. But I’m beginning to sense that you might be willing to trust these notions for awhile, at least long enough to see the results of giving them a try. I like hearing echoes of what I’ve said in your own words. I’ll be even happier if I can help you find your own truth.

  13. thecommonblackhawk says:

    Goal of this class is to look back on our first piece of work and cringe.
    Omit needless words!
    Omit needless words!
    Omit needless words!
    Great advice that I really need to follow. I am very guilty of committing fluff.
    No rewriting, side-by-side editing!
    Early version never goes away! Check note that states when the last edit was made and click on it.
    Keep the replies coming! They are important for success in the class!
    Make sure to reply if it has not yet been done.
    *I know I need to catch up on two assignments.
    The winner of the argument is the person who walks away with a better understanding.
    Proof is not what we seek.
    We should go in with a question/idea and seek out evidence about that question.
    Abandon prejudice
    Alter the thesis to align with the facts.
    Thesis comes last
    _______________________________________________________________________________Easy to avoid plagiarism.
    Read a source and put it in the next room so you are not typing while staring at the source.
    Direct quotes are very easy as well.
    Citing throughout the paragraph to help out.
    Study plagiarism sheet.

    • davidbdale says:

      Thank you for repeating ‘Omit needless words!” Gave me a good chuckle. “Abandon prejudice” is also very nice. And “Alter the thesis to align with the facts.” If I said either of those, I’m proud. If they’re your phrases, I applaud you. If you can follow those little dictums, you’ll never go wrong.

      Our conference made my day, Blackhawk. I feel I’m in the presence of a lively intelligence when I talk with you, and a person of real worth. You will write something of importance. Our brief collaboration taught me things I never suspected I knew. The discoveries that come from carefully examining a narrow topic with someone who has different life experiences is the heart of academic learning. I couldn’t have gotten, and you couldn’t have gotten, to the conclusions we came to any other way. I hope you’re getting those ideas down in words right now. Otherwise, they’re not yours yet. We don’t have a thought in our heads, BlackHawk, until we communicate them to someone else.

      I didn’t know what I knew today until I explained it to you. The only reason I knew anything at all was that I got the information from you that forced me to surprising conclusions. Your affirmation that I had spoken a truth was the only way I knew I had said anything true. This is the academic ideal. We put our minds into conversation with others and something new results. Thank you, and good luck with your Proposal. Nothing from the original will survive. I consider that a tremendous success.

      All that said, several of your classmates wrote superior notes today. 🙂

      • thecommonblackhawk says:

        I agree! Our conference opened my eyes to an experience that I did not even know that I had. I already edited my proposal and I am looking forward to taking it to the next step. I really appreciate everything stated above. It means a lot more than can be expressed through a comment. Thank you again for everything and I will be sure to improve my notes! Have a great night!

  14. greeneggsandham234 says:

    Omit needless words! (5 times)

    For rewrites, simply the post the revision on top of the old version!.Earlier revisions do not get deleted., wordpress does not delete them. On the post, the differences between posts are highlighted from each one as well.

    -Reply when asked to reply.
    -For all pieces that have received “failed to reply” to, reply as soon as possible.

    Professor Conferences
    -It is an obligation to make an appointment by February.
    -Do not wait until the last two weeks, to work the final essay. It will end poorly of that is done.
    -Research all throughout the semester.

    -Do not be pre determined on proving a point, because a biased paper will come out of it. Only cherry picking sources that seem in coordinate with the paper will be picked, and no learning is done.
    -There will be no convincing in the hypothesis and, there will be no conniving for either side of the argument
    -For example if one says grass is bad and one says grass is good, an argument can come of it. Both sides have opinions that can help the other, and one of the sides can be convinced. The “loser” in the argument actually won the argument, because the loser got intellectual growth.
    -The point we choose has evidence in it, and a paper can be written. However an argument that can go either way, allows intellectual growth because we do not have a blinds on one opinion.
    -A good paper can come out of a hypothesis that is proven wrong.
    -Be suspicious of the knowledge of the known information. a little knowledge can be dangerous.
    For example” Opponents of planned parenthood seem unwilling to accept the organization will do more damage…”
    This example came into the paper with prejudice. This prejudice can occur at the end, however if it occurs at the beginning, bias occurs, and blindness of the other side will stop intellectual growth.
    -Step 1 of a good thesis, is to eradicate prejudice! Be open to both sides.
    -alter the thesis to match the facts instead of altering the facts to match the thesis!

    Step 2 is to be scientific
    -Wether our their is matched by the facts is irreverent
    -A lab science class, if the hypothesis is matched is irreverent, learning is done either way.
    -so to be successful in this paper, treat it like a lab science hypothesis, in this matter

    Step 3: Begin with a hypothesis
    -We begin with innocence and maintain that innocence as long as possible.
    -For the planned parenthood example, research everything they do, for ten weeks. Be open to both opinions on the organization
    -In the evidence we gather, even if our thesis loses, we still win.we still gain kwoledge in the end.

    Step 4: Thesis comes last
    -we win by proving that the facts we have gathered support a meaningful this.
    -Even if the facts, prove us wrong we have learned so that is a win
    -we can not do that if we have prejudice, so we lose even if the thesis is proven correct because we do not learn
    -The mice story, what we thought was the answer proved to be not true.However we still won, because w learned something and found out the truth.

    -As long as where the material came from, plagiarism does not occur.
    -The easiest way to paraphrase, is to put the whole source in citations.
    -However, the full proof method of paraphrasing, is to read to original, absurd it, then paraphrase, and then cite the source.

    • davidbdale says:

      I’ve never seen such thorough notes, GreenEggs. Your attention must never have wavered. They’re not always entirely accurate, but they will probably refresh your memory of today’s class much better than anything else you could have done. Today you earn the best grade I can give you and my appreciation for your kind attention.

  15. therealmoana says:

    Omit needless words
    get rid of words that are not needed
    Feedback is a conversion
    reply when comment is left on a post
    Professor Conference
    remember to make appointment for february
    Hypo Thesis
    identify sources that will prove your point
    sources that are most valuable to you and your topic and main argument
    person who gains more intellectual knowledge wins the argument
    value is in having an idea and discovering that something unexpected is true
    be suspicious of the knowledge of the known information a little knowledge can be dangerous
    nothing wrong with a clear well defined thesis if it comes at the end of our research
    abandoning prejudice, test theory, reading to learn instead of reading to defend
    open ended hypothesis becomes a thesis
    begin in innocence and maintain that innocence as long as possible, until the weight of evidence convinces us that something is true
    we win by proving that the facts we have gathered support a meaningful thesis
    in the meantime adapt to what we discover and our thesis will turn out to be provable
    cite within paragraph
    best method is to read original first and then paraphrase without looking at original

    • davidbdale says:

      These are good notes, Moana, some practical, some theoretical. I crossed out the two comments I think reflect your early impressions, which you later amended. In an ordinary class, these would rank 3/3, but this class is really ramping up the competition for Notes grades. You impress me, and you’re clearly taking things seriously. Thank you for your strong performance.

  16. studentwriter1212 says:

    When writing a research paper it is important to omit needless words and pay attention to the information being presented
    Respond to feedback so that best paper possible will be written
    Come to a conference before the end of feb.
    look for sources that have valuable information
    maintain a lack of bias throughout paper.
    stay away from plagiarism

    • davidbdale says:

      You weren’t in class, studentwriter. I was alert to your absence because I wanted your picture for my chart. This is deceptive, not cool, not appreciated.
      0/3 or worse

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