Class 20: MON APR 13


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  1. j6128 says:

    Smoked cocktails
    Mixologists- until they had a name they were just bartenders who had recipe books. Mixologists nowadays go crazy with their drinks
    Refute by naming
    If you want to own a concept give it a name
    Acknowledge that reasonable thinkers disagree with you
    You are under no obligation to embrace the opposing arguments view
    The more you detail their positions, the more convincingly you can undermine their reasoning or evidence
    You are much more likely to be persuasive to those who are in the middle of the argument
    Identify argument as different from your own
    The lamest question ever uttered is “Something from the bar?”-it creates an environment precisely the opposite of what the server intended, which was to make the customer comfortable, appreciated, and catered to
    Readers do the same thing. Faced with too much new data or too many choices—in absence of clear guidance—they retreat to their bunkers where you can’t begin to persuade them.
    Writers job is to guide and persuade their readers
    Don’t ask rhetorical questions-gives reader an opportunity to answer wrong
    Share information while promising it
    The reader is your customer

  2. a1175 says:

    -expose all the vulnerabilities of an argument
    -name a concept to own it
    – don’t antagonize readers, some people could be on the fence
    -be like a tour guide to get people’s attention to the thing you want them to look at/consider
    -don’t ask rhetorical or open ended questions

    • davidbdale says:

      All good advice. Where’d you get it? 🙂
      Only you made a note about exposing the vulnerabilities of another’s arguments. I believe I thought that up while I was talking. I’ll try to remember it. The best reason to carefully detail the logic, evidence, and opinions of others is to expose the flaws.

  3. bmdpiano says:


    Early Rebuttal Drafts:
    – Look at J’s example to help start the Rebuttal essay
    – add a chart to save some words and show your claims
    – want to own a concept? Give it a name!

    Something from the Bar?:
    – Don’t introduce too much at the readers. NO overwhelming stimulus.
    – There leaves too many questions and the reader cannot consider the possibilities.
    – Be like a server. Guide the reader to the right choice and call attention to the right subject.
    – Ask if you want appetizers, or just introduce them. Describe them to let the readers think that they chose the appetizer all along.
    – NO rhetorical questions. The reader can be lead to the wrong answer and it can be difficult to grab them back to the point you’re trying to make.
    – If you cannot find the evidence, don’t mention it. NEVER mention what you don’t have.
    – Offer enough acceptable options instead of offering “anything you want.”
    – You have a piece of information that trumps the reader’s misinformation.

    Ag-Gag Laws:
    – Showing the counterintuitivity of the laws.
    – There are two sides of the argument.
    – It allows people to be open to new ideas that are introduced.

  4. alyse816 says:

    Using a chart in your writings might be a good idea if that can save you words
    Watch repetition, and watch how you identify the readers and points of view
    Since the audience that already agrees with you doesn’t really need persuasion, you need to focus on those who don’t and try to persuade them
    In your writing you need to guide the readers to be sold with what you are saying
    Describe and sell your ideas, the more you guide to the readers to the appropriate conclusions will get them to your side
    Put the right idea in your head

  5. shaquilleoatmeal2250 says:


    – Started class reviewing the two rebuttal drafts submitted already
    – Prof explained his explanations with his comments
    – Used as help and a good example

    – Your job is to be the guide for the reader
    – You get to be in charge
    – You know the most about the subject
    – Don’t apologize for what you don’t have
    – Never accept that the arguer is correct cause they probably are correct
    – Give a couples ideas to your readers don’t be broad and boring
    – Real world analogies that can help with our essays
    – Share the info you promise to share

  6. harp03 says:

    Class Notes 04/13/2020

    Review Early Rebuttal Drafts:
    -Look at j6’s rebuttal argument (as well as Professor Hodge’s reply) for a good example
    -Graphs can sometimes be more useful than simply stating statistics
    -To own a concept, we must name it!
    -Don’t give the opposing argument more weight when acknowledging their point of view
    -Do not identify the opposing viewpoint as “opponent” (most of your persuadable audience is in the middle, so calling them your opponent is not a way to identify them in appropriate or positive manner)

    Something from the Bar?:
    -Guide your reader to the right conclusion
    -Do not overwhelm the audience with stimulus, statistics, etc
    -As the metaphorical sever, do not ask a rhetorical question
    -If you could not find the best evidence, don’t admit it (instead, offer your best that you COULD find)
    -Never contradict your customer’s preferences
    -The “kitchen” is your bank of evidence/knowledge, not the entire worlds’
    -Find what the reader/customer believes and refute their misinformation

    Ag-Gag Laws: Rebuttal Practice
    -Links within links for practicing rebuttals if I need a break from my current essay subject
    -Prepare for deeper look next class

    Rebuttal Argument Due Tuesday night 11:59 pm!!

  7. rose1029 says:

    COMP class 4/13/2020
    We discussed…
    – Review early Rebuttal Drafts
    – Something from the Bar? Riddle
    – How to Refute by Naming
    – Ag-Gag laws for Rebuttal Practice
    – What to avoid in writing thee Rebuttal Draft paper
    I learned that…
    – That student can go off because it sets a good example of what the Rebuttal argument draft should look like.
    – You want to still distance yourself from the other side of the argument even though you are addressing their side of the argument and seeing the reasonable outcome they come to.
    – Addressing the other side of an argument as a respectable source in order to gain their trust when trying to convince them of your side of the argument: directly naming them
    – Creating an uncomfortable situation even when that was never your intention by your choice of words
    – By calling the reader’s attention to the right choice then they feel better about supporting your side once they find it – offering guidance – “take a look at these options to choose from”
    – Don’t ask rhetorical or open-ended questions
    – Offer an appealing alternative
    – You don’t have the everything that exists on information on your topic, but you are giving the reader what you have been able to gather unapologetically

  8. tenere84 says:

    Notes 4/13

    Something from the Bar?
    – Hint: You’re the Waiter
    – This is a very lame question to ask. It may imply a drink but, since there are so many options, it leaves too much work for the customer to do when they SHOULD be relaxing and shown some hospitality.
    – Though you may have had good intentions with this question, it causes hesitation, confusion, reluctance, and panic in the customer.

    How to Serve/Write
    – Your job is to serve (present an argument supported by evidence), and by serving to guide (using your own language and rhetoric to guide the reader to the intended conclusion), and by guiding to sell (persuade your reader), and by selling to improve your employer’s bottom line (??)…
    – Use your power in order to serve properly: writers are the subject matter experts, have already examined the pertinent evidence, have come to the right conclusions, can guide you to the right conclusions if you trust them. In the end, everybody is happy when you come to the right conclusions.
    – NOTHING is accomplished if I tell you “We have a wonderful assortment of delicious appetizers; what do you want?” Show, don’t tell (no “talked-about” language!).

    What NOT to do:
    1. Don’t ask open-ended (yes-or-no) questions.
    2. Don’t promise that you’ll have important information to share . . . later.
    3. Don’t blame the kitchen.
    4. Don’t apologize for what you don’t have.
    5. Never contradict your customer’s preferences.

    Metorical Payoff
    – The KITCHEN is not the entire world of knowledge, but rather the information you’ve been able to gather so far.
    – The CHEF and SERVER are both you.
    – The CUSTOMER is your reader; their persuasion is your top priority.

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