Class 22: MON NOV 18

Feedback Model

For anyone wondering how a Feedback loop can improve both the quality of your writing and the grade you earn for it, follow this 2-step process from the

Definition Argument

  1. Read it first, then proceed to the Feedback offered on October 20 at the Definition Rewrite,
  2. Definition Rewrite.
  3. Then read the Definition Rewrite itself.
  4. Finally, read the Feedback offered following the Revisions on November 16.

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Syntax is Argument:
Magical Dependency

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The Banned 2nd Person (You)

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A Case Study: Maintaining Control

This paragraph has a brilliant opening. A brilliant opening of which anyone should be proud.

A brilliant opening that goes wrong almost immediately and surrenders the ground it firmly established.

Women have to work harder in every aspect of life. Thankfully in today’s world, the fight for gender equality has progressed greatly. Despite this progression, there are still some kinks to work out, even in something that unites the world like sports. Throughout the years sports organizations and media have been under fire about the unfair treatment of genders and lack of female representation in televised sports. Women in sports have constantly fought to be represented and respected by not only their male counterparts but the world as a whole.

Women have to work harder in every aspect of life.

What a brilliant first sentence. It unapologetically maps out the territory and the rules. This writer is in command of the subject matter.

Thankfully in today’s world, the fight for gender equality has progressed greatly.

And then, gives it back. Women have had to work harder, BUT things are improving. I didn’t really mean it. Pay no attention to me.

Despite this progression, there are still some kinks to work out, even in something that unites the world like sports.

No, wait. women do still have to work harder while the kinks are worked out, even in sports, where we wouldn’t expect them to have to fight for equality.

Throughout the years sports organizations and media have been under fire about the unfair treatment of genders and lack of female representation in televised sports.

As I was saying in the first sentence, the Olympics, international sports leagues, media outlets, EVERYONE in fact, continues to treat women unfairly.

Women in sports have constantly fought to be represented and respected by not only their male counterparts but the world as a whole.

What was I thinking? “Gender equality has progressed greatly?” That’s what they WANT US to think! I call bullshit on that!

Women have to work harder in every aspect of life, INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL SPORT!

Where did the argument go wrong? In the second sentence.

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Sources Workshop 2

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Workshop: Ag-Gag Arguments

  • Should Activists Be Targeted with Ag-Gag Laws?
    • A Brief Video Debate over the Ethical Treatment of Animals turns to a Debate over the Ethical Treatment of Farmers and the Ethical Treatment of Activists.
      • Farmers say: Activists bolster their false claims of animal cruelty inside animal farms with doctored and manipulated footage.
      • Farmers say: Activists’ real agenda is to close all animal farms and force vegetarianism on the country.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Undercover footage has led to criminal charges against meat producers and food safety recalls.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: We’re not green kooks. The Teamsters, the AFL-CIO, the American Civil Liberties Union and other legitimate organizations have joined us in opposition to Ag-Gag laws. .
      • Farmers say: Releasing footage of presumably cruel treatment to the media instead of giving farms a chance to take corrective action demonstrates that activists want to harm farms more than help animals.
      • Farmers say: Waiting “even a minute” to gather a body of evidence of abuse instead of “turning it over” immediately proves activists don’t sincerely seek change; they seek to harm the farms.
      • Farmers say: Compiling months’ worth of tapes into provocative gross-out videos to release under a DONATE NOW button proves the disingenuousness of the activists’ motivation.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: What we gather is evidence of criminal behavior.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Sadly, much of the abuse in meat-raising farms is institutionalized abuse against animals NOT PROTECTED by a single federal law.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: The government doesn’t protect animals, and farms are understandably secretive about their operations, so undercover video is the only chance Americans have to see how their food is produced.
      • Farmers say: The last thing farmers need is to be policed by activists whose goal is to enforce a Vegan World.
      • Farmers say: We police ourselves. Workers are required to report abuse to the managers. Quality assurance officers, or some sort of managers, review footage from cameras in the processing plants.
      • Farmers say: 98% of US farms and ranches are “family-owned.”
      • Farmers say: It’s not in the best interest of farms to have allegations of abuse made against them.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Ten billion birds are slaughtered for food every year on farms that in many cases have 100,000,000 birds on one farm. The entire enterprise is massively industrialized, unsupervised, unrestrained by government regulation an oversight.
      • Moderator says: McDonalds restaurant chain fired Fargo Farms after allegations of cruelty to chickens brought to light by undercover video. [shows video]. How will Ag-Gag laws stifle this activity?
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: There is no other way to document and expose cruelty on farms that don’t invite scrutiny. The same day farm workers pled guilty to criminal animal abuse, the State legislature criminalized the kind of reporting that led to those convictions.
      • Moderator says: Why shouldn’t investigators who film abuse be required to turn that evidence over within 24 hours?
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Evidence of a single case of abuse doesn’t provide evidence of a PATTERN OF ABUSE. Prosecutors will ignore single violations. But they have to address systemic abuse if it is documented.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Low-level employees cannot be expected to risk losing their jobs by reporting abuse.
      • Farmers say: The activists are shirking their real responsibility by running to the media to “expose” the employees engaging in “standard industry practices.” They just want to raise money by releasing shocking video images.
      • Farmers say: Nobody has a right to videotape on private property without permission. Farmers need protection against clandestine investigations.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: If I were abusing animals in my home for their entire lives, I wouldn’t want anybody videotaping and documenting that behavior either.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Corporate farmers write the Ag-Gag laws and have muscled legislatures to criminalize any news gathering organization that documents their hidden behaviors.
      • Animal Rights Advocates say: Farms are closed to reporters. Employees are sworn to secrecy. Government doesn’t oversee the operations. And when farms hold conferences about denying access to oversight, they ban credentialed reporters from covering those events.

Extra Credit Task: Review and Annotate one of the Sources Below

  • You may select any of the 9 sources below.
  • Publish your work in the Ag-Gag Sources category,
  • and your Username category, of course.
  • Title your work Ag-Gag—Username.
  • Use whatever format seems best for your Notes.
  1. Law Declares Reporting Abuse to be Terrorism
  2. Laws Turn Activists into Terrorists
  3. Gross-Out Videos as an Activist Technique
  4. Raising Animals for Food
  5. Taping Cruelty is now the Crime
  6. Open the Slaughterhouses
  7. Warning, Graphic: The Meat Video (What Cody Saw)
  8. Foie Gras Is Not Unethical
  9. Two Videos on Gavage: Force-Feeding Geese
    and
    Cormorant Swallowing Whole Fish

If the topic intrigues you, here’s another link I found during class:
How Big Agriculture Completely Controls 96% of Chicken Production

YouTube “Gotcha” video exposes chicken production practices.

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Portfolio Task:
Research Position Paper

25 Responses to Class 22: MON NOV 18

  1. ChefRat's avatar ChefRat says:

    Class Notes 11.18.24

    Robust Verb Student Work

    • We go over a students work, we structure a weak verb into a less wordy one, while making clear how this verb affects the subject of the sentence.
    • Disconnect between conclusion and the rest of the paragraph.

    Visual Rhetoric Student Work

    • The student’s work we went over has a prevalent issue with their assignment draft, it focuses entirely on the rhetoric half (opposite of my first draft!)

    Feedback

    • Made clear where to ask for feedback and how you should receive/interpret it as a writer. (I like to say I use mine pretty well!)

    Independent/Dependent Clauses

    • “Since the program lowers the crime rate by giving free heroin to the addicts,”
      • Remove “Since,” with it, the clause is now subordinate to some other statement.
      • Now that you’ve combined a independent and dependent clause, the sentence becomes too complex for what it’s trying to claim.

    Second Person

    • Do not do this – writing in second person will not build comradery.
      • The academic essays this class writes are persuasive, every time the reader is addressed as an other entity, a distance is created between writer and audience.

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  2. Softball1321's avatar Softball1321 says:

    Class Notes – 11/28/24

    • Make observations from visualizations.
    • Independent clauses emphasize claims.
    • Independent clause could stand alone as a sentence, can put a period at the end of it.
    • Independent clause has objects, verbs, parenthetical moderating clause.
    • A dependent clause has words like “since,” move forward from the clause.
    • Complex sentence is formed from both independent and dependent clauses.
    • Dependent clauses does not express a complete thought.
    • Balancing sentences
    • No second person (addressing the reader as you) in a writing.
    • Build camaraderie with the readers by using first person point of view, we make ourselves part of the group we are talking about.
    • Complete the Banned 2nd Person Task (create own post).
  3. imaginary.persona's avatar imaginary.persona says:

    11/18/24

    What Happened:

    • The election was a catastrophe and my favorite professor might jump off a bridge but hopefully he doesn’t 
    • Second Person is banned in academic writing

    What I Got:

    • No one gives you enough information to draw a conclusion but you feel it 

    What I still have Questions about:

  4. phoenixxxx23's avatar phoenixxxx23 says:

    Class Notes – phoenixxxx23

    -We are the last class of semester…sad but incredibly happy that I was lucky enough to be in this class!

    I think it is the right decision. Sometimes, staying true to your beliefs means making tough decisions, even when it means stepping away from something you once believed in.

    -Feedback should be taken and considered for our own growth

    Independent clause = Complete thought + can stand alone.

    -It has a subject and a verb; does not depend on anything else to make sense.

    Dependent clause = Incomplete thought + needs an independent clause to form a sentence

    -It typically starts with a subordinating conjunction (like because, although, if, when, etc.) or a relative pronoun (like who, which, that)

    NO SECOND PERSON! Should not adress reader as “you” (in academic writing)

    -Second person tends to be more conversational, personal, and direct, which can clash with the objectivity, formality of the writing

    -The second-person pronoun makes the statement feel like it’s aimed at the reader personally

    -Using neutral claims instead of inclusive claims can help ensure that your message is clear and objective without unintentionally excluding or stereotyping any group

  5. class notes-figure8clementine 11/18/24

    • visual rhetoric focuses entirely on the rhetoric, and less visual elements
    • an independent clause could stand alone as a sentence, dependent clause needs the independent clause to be a sentence.
    • do not use the words you, yours, yourself in the paper being written.
    • exclusive claims point fingers at readers
    • the final paper compiles the work of the entire semester
    • things you cite goes into your reference list, not things you just briefly mention.
  6. GamersPet's avatar GamersPet says:

    To make a sentence to feel balance is by stating the subject that is followed up with a cause like verb.

    A rhetorical casual claim can be identified by using the word because to support that claim with a reason.

    From reading the definition rewrite by phoenixxxx23 and the feedbacks to go along with it did change drastically in a good way. Based on the feedback was mostly questioning about the metaphors between the white rabbit from Alice in Wonderland and time. That feedback eventually changed the authors approach by not including Alice in Wonderland to a more personal experience approach claim.

    Independent clause can stand alone in a sentence by itself.

    Dependence minimizes the objection. It can help show the importance of the claim that states the first subject which is less important then follows up with the second subject where it can support the overall claim.

    The word you is not recommend because by including the readers into a problem will not help support your claims. The word you is an exclusive claims because it can separate yourself from readers, and you are pointing or accusing them for something that the readers may have or haven’t done.

  7. taco491's avatar taco491 says:

    Class Notes: 11/18/24

    -Feedback Model: Read our definition rewrite, USE the feedback he gave us to IMPROVE our writing. If we would like more feedback to improve it, put it back in the Feedback please category with a message on what we would like help on exactly.

    -Hodges takes his time with all of our work. He looks at so many different things in order to help us. This is another reason for us to really take our time and look at the feedback he gives us. Using this feedback will definitely help our writing in one way or more.

    -Having a plan and then a result in a sentence will help our writing structurally. The audience doesn’t need to guess anything.

    -An independent clause could stand alone as a sentence. If we combine an independent and dependent clause, we create a complex sentence. This helps to balance sentences.

    -The independent clause is the real claim being made. It helps to emphasize the claim.

    -The dependent clause minimizes objections made.

    -NEW RULE: No 2nd Person! In other words, do not address the reader as “you”. Just keep that word, and similar ones to it, out of our writing.

    -Instead of writing “you”, we can write “we” to join the author and the audience together instead.

    -Our references for our 3,000 word essay should only be referenced if we site the work in our writing.

  8. loverofcatsandmatcha's avatar loverofcatsandmatcha says:

    11/18/24

    Feedback Examples

    • Robust Verbs:
      • Get the point across clearly
      • Dispose of junk language and unnecessary words. Use active verbs
      • Consider the academese discussion: less is more
      • Make the conflict clear and clean up the language
      • Put blinders on = has blinded; it just sounds better
      • Even though, although: subordinating words diminish the value of the phrase succeeding them. Not necessarily bad, just the truth
      • The paragraph we read in class does solve the problem that we are tackling (creating a paragraph with robust verbs), but does not actually follow the same main idea as the original.
    • Visual Rewrite
      • This example does little to provide either visual or rhetorical emphasis
        • Where are they, who is it, give us SOMETHING to work with
        • Every single millisecond is packed with information/a message
      • The grammar was also rough.
    • PTSD Claims
      • Be thorough. Whose claim is it?
      • Though one claim can look like one thing, it may be another
      • Thorough interpretation of the claims in question can change the meaning. Ex: claim 2

    Magical Dependency

    • Independent clauses are the same as sentences; they can stand alone.
    • Dependent clauses cannot stand alone, because they have a subordinating word that diminishes their ability to stand alone
    • “Since…” causes the reader to have to wait for the other shoe to drop and finish the thought. Since x, then y.
    • Independent clauses can be made dependent by adding the subordinating word

    The Banned Second Person (You)

    • The use of “you” in academic writing is banned
    • “We” is not banned, but second person nouns are
    • Substitute the second person for a class noun
    • “You” feels more accusatory, and makes the reader feel different from the author. “We” joins the two people, and develops community
    • Other writing will also ban first person writing, but that is not the case here
  9. Burnbook04's avatar Burnbook04 says:

    Class Notes 11/18/24

    • Get rid of the crime rate: stop addicts.
    • Screaming baby: a binkie is dropped on the floor and a baby about to flip out. parent dips down to pick it up quick ( super responsive parent )
    • while addicts will unfortunately depend on heroin the city will still thrive
    • Make friends not enemies: writing in 2nd person sentences that address the reader as “you” is banned from academic writing. We our mistakes our understanding. “YOU” are far more likely to be pulled over from speeding if you are a teenager. “WE” are far more likely to be pulled over if driving flashy cars. ( get rid of you ) teenagers are more likely to be pulled over for speeding.
  10. Starfire04.blog's avatar Starfire04.blog says:

    11/18/24 Class Notes

    • sending the right message for the audience to understand is very important.
    • Using detail!
    • It is all about rhetoric, the attitude, the approach, and the detail you use to transmit the information determines how the message is sent and if it is effective
    • independent clause is the same as a sentence, it emphasizes claims.
    • dependent clause is used to minimize objections
    • do not write in a second person
    • instead of using the word “you”, use the word “we” to give a sense of inclusion
    • i, we, our, us= first person plural
    • DO NOT USE YOU, not recommended
  11. ChickenNugget's avatar ChickenNugget says:

    Notes 11/18

    • Independent clauses can stand alone. The dependent clause minimizes objection.
    • To make the writing feel like collaborative effort with reader: do no use “I”, and do not use second person “you”, utilize “we” in order to make the reader feel included.
  12. Mongoose449's avatar Mongoose449 says:

    Mongoose Notes – 11/18/2024

    • Defining something needs claims to take ground, and to not give that ground back up moments later.
    • Feedback is harsh, it’s his last year. He won’t get over it.
    • Rhetoric needs to be guessed, even assuming off our own predisposed prejudiced based on practically nothing there.
    • Use Grammar, please.
    • Clauses rely either on themselves or each other. Make sure the independent clause is the most emphasized part, rather than the dependent clause.
    • No Second Person Perspective. There is no ‘You’ as the reader is not the one being talked about.
      • The reader is not the topic, they are not the author, they do not have the experience, they are the learner not the teacher. You speak about you, the author, and information you know to convince the reader. Do not address the reader.
      • We are the ones on the good side, the ones with the right opinion, there is no you when convincing someone, no they or them. Anyone described are the opponents, those without the correct information.
  13. iloveme5's avatar iloveme5 says:

    Class notes 11/18

    • An example of robust verbs was shown in class and nothing surprises me about how hard the professor grades. I do think that the professor grades like that to help us learn about our own writing and how we can improve.
    • Professor when you read this I hope you know how happy I am for you. It must have been really hard you to make this decision but I am so happy for you and I hope you get the best rest and a nice peaceful retirement. Take vacations!!
    • Able to ask the professor anything not even about classwork but just about anything.
    • Professor made it clear that he takes time with our work spends hours even a week replying to our work and truly reading and understanding our work.
    • An example of PTSD claims were shown in class, the independent clause is the real claim being made in your writing.
    • Independent clauses emphasize claims
    • Independent clauses are the same as a sentence. Except, we couldn’t call it a clause if it was part of a bigger sentence.
    • Independent clause can stand alone and be a complete sentence.
    • A dependent clause is usually thought of as “lacking something” but usually they have “one or too many”
    • Do NOT use second person in writing
    • First person plural is the best for this class.
    • Get rid of “YOU” from academic writing
  14. Andarnaurram's avatar Andarnaurram says:

    Class Notes 11/18

    -Feedback Model: Use the feedback he provide us to improve our writing on our rewrite. 

    -A complete sentence will more likely then not have a subject that is followed up with a verb.

    -The visuals to a sentence must be detailed which can be almost as important as the rhetoric. 

    -It doesn’t matter if your wrong when first visualizing something but it is important to see what things aren’t and what they potentially can be. If our instant idea of what is going on in an image is wrong that is not our fault. This is considered rhetoric as how we are given information to make our decisions. It comes down to the method we use to transmit the information in our arguments.

    -Independent clause can stand alone by itself with no revisions and it will be a complete sentence. 

    -A dependent clause is a complete sentence, often too many words but needs an independent clause.

    -First person language is I, We, Us, Our as they are singular and plural but first person plural is best style to use in the argument

    -Thirds person They, Them, Themselves

    -Second person is You

  15. pineapple488's avatar pineapple488 says:

    Class notes:

    • The independent clause carries the main idea. The dependent clause is less important as determined by the subordinator words like “although.”
    • Before the video even starts, there is a lot of information we can pick up from just an image of a pacifier on the floor. The baby is upset, the parent is responsive, the family is upper middle class, etc.
    • Rhetoric comes down to the language and the approach you use to share information with your audience.
    • “It was Hovda who delivered” makes the causal claim attributive as well.
    • You can organize material in a way that shows what is important to you. What matters the most should be in the independent clause.
    • Independent clauses can stand alone as a complete sentence. A dependent clause often contains a complete sentence as well as a subordinating word that makes it no longer a complete sentence and makes it depend on the independent clause.
    • Don’t address the reader as “you.” Rather than singling out “I” or “you,” you want to use “we” as long as it applies to both the author and the reader.
  16. Who'sOnFirst?'s avatar Who'sOnFirst? says:

    11/18

    • Read your work carefully, or else prof will. Professor is also retiring so has no cause to hold anything back.
    • When using independent clauses, one should be subordinated to the other.
    • I think I understand this without consciously being aware of the fact.
    • If persuading someone is your goal, talk about “we” not “you.” This is first person language, but make it plural – “our.”
    • Don’t have to avoid using first person, we’re talking to friends.
    • Never use “you.”
  17. Robofrog's avatar Robofrog says:

    Class notes 11/18

    Feedback Model – fixing issues identified in feedback, details matter

    Baby video – appearance effects the story being told and its effectiveness

    Syntax is Argument – organizing sentences improves clarity, focus on what is important, use we to make it more persuasive, you makes the reader view themselves as a separate group

    Assignments:

    Rebuttal Argument DUE SUN NOV 24

  18. unicorn45678's avatar unicorn45678 says:

    11/18  Class Notes 

    Feedback Model

    • A feedback loop can help improve both the quality of your writing and your grade
    • It looks like we went over different essay examples to help us get an idea of what we are expected to do 
    • Ex:   While the addicts will unfortunately remain dependent on heroin, the city will have the opportunity to thrive.

    While the addicts will unfortunately remain dependent on heroin, the city will have the opportunity to thrive.

    • We often use words that are not important while writing, we have to eliminate them so our readers can have a better understanding when they are reading
    • Using fails grammar such as you, yours, your in academic essays is a FFG offense (Fails for Grammar)
    • When writing an academic essay we have to make sure to stop our self from using these words.
  19. KFury205's avatar KFury205 says:

    11/18

    We began to go over a few people’s Robust verb assignments, where we had to fix and simplify a paragraph on a heroin crime rise in Vancouver. We had to find and rewrite the paragraph by getting rid of unnecessary explanations and an abundance of pronouns for specific topics involved. We talked about someone else’s submission that was overall really solid but needed to include some simplification of how they wanted to work their revision it seemed.

    Next, we began to go over dependent and independent Clauses, as in sentences that are either dependent on or not on additional sentences to get their point across. We talk about how dependent clauses show the objection in a smaller light and it can help show the importance of the claim that states the first subject which is less important than what follows up with a secondary subject that can support the writer’s claim.

    Then we discussed the usage of the word “you”, categorizing it as a very exclusive claim for any such argument or discussion because it can separate the author’s writing from readers, and points or accuse them of something that the readers may have or haven’t done. Putting a sort of unnecessary critique on your readers and explaining how something may be their fault overall. We are told to avoid all usage of the word in such a manner, in exchange for more fruitful and communitive words like our, we, or ours. To bring out a sense of camaraderie, where we all share the blame.

  20. lil.sapph's avatar lil.sapph says:

    11/18

    • The paragraph was good some words that whosonfirst used were really nice
    • We saw how slight improvements could be made
    • The beginning of the visual rhetoric assignment form that one person, they really did miss a lot of details in just the first scene. 
    • Could see the different types of claims with the ptsd claims and how the one person was wrong.
    • The first essay I could see where the feedback came from, and how it impacted the rewrite, the deletion of the white rabbit and deleting the alice in wonderland reference in the beginning , the blog actually wouldn’t let me read in unless I was subscribed and I guess I wasn’t but I was able to see when it was up on the screen. 
    • Dependent and independent clauses, usng since implies there is a second part that explains since this, then that. 
    • Using “our” builds camaraderie between the reader and author. NEVER use second person. 
    • Do Banned 2nd person assignment 
  21. student1512's avatar student1512 says:
    • Powerful language.
    • Introduces the whole subject matter in one shot.
    • Get to the point
    • Take a better approach
    • Clear up language and conflict 
    • Independent clauses can stand alone, basically just sentences.
    • Dependant clauses cannot stand alone
    • “Since” leaves the reader hanging…..sinceeee????
    • No using you, idc about you don’t use it
    • We is okay 
    • You accusatory, we is us=community
    • Feedback is gonna be rough, it’s whatever just spend some time to fix up your writing
  22. PRblog24's avatar PRblog24 says:

    Class Notes: 18 November 2024

    • A dependent clause is used to minimize objections. 
    • An independent clause is used to emphasize strong claims.
      • You must balance both independent and dependent causes in order to create a strong and compelling claim.
    • Be consistent when making your claim. Do not backtrack and revert from the topic. 
    • Do not use the second person when writing. This creates a distance between you and the reader, in turn making your ideas less persuasive.
      • Do not use the word ‘you’ in your academic writing.
    • Tools for writing and creating sources:
      • Google Scholar, Campbell Library

    PRblog24

  23. Bruinbird's avatar Bruinbird says:
    • Notes for November 18, 9:30 AM class
      • Top tier songs this morning. 💪
        • Run-around in particular by Blues Traveler.
      • Balance claims?
      • Magical dependency
        • Primary idea → independent clause
        • Supporting idea → dependent clause 
      • Subordinator
        • Even though
          • Identifies it as a LESS IMPORTANT idea
      • How he looks through our things
        • Taking out a handful of descirptors to get to the meat of a sentence, then seeing how those work on the sentence in question. 
      • Last class (not class date but, you know what I mean), You’re doing a fantastic job. I love this class  E>
      • Rhetoric
        • Go absolutely insane. Full on string on tackboard insane. Tie together things that, who knows what they mean!? But, y’know make sure it’s analysis
      • Author believes, the author would say the claim. To be sure, otherwise, might go one way or the other.
        • Attributive claim
          • Attributes the claim to someone else.
      • Independent clause
        • Same as a sentence.
          • Subject, verb, etc etc. It can stand on its own, even out of context.
      • Dependent clause.
        • Lacks something if it’s on its own, relies on something else to have it make sense.
          • Typically made less than another claim. It makes it dependent on something else, a subordinating word
            • Even though, since, while, [ ]
      • Location of the subordinator should make it possible, and still make sense, for the two clauses to co-exist in the same sentence. Simply changing the emphasis.
      • Dependent clauses can minimize objections, since you are making that claim less important
      • THE BANNED (more emphasis) 2nd person. Using “you”
        • Even if it’s grammatically correct, don’t use it in academic papers.
          • Accusatory, subordinates the reader to the writer.
        • We is better because it makes it collective instead of targeted.
          • Not third person, but a plural first person. 
        • At least, for this blog. 
        • Also, doesn’t always apply, but when applicable, it works.
  24. Bagel&Coffee's avatar Bagel&Coffee says:

    Today I learned about dependent and independent clauses. Out of all my English classes, I don’t remember this topic being taught before. The closest I can remember to this, was a lesson on subject and clause. Then again, I don’t really remember that lesson all that well either, I just can’t forget all the light blue, light green, and light purple highlight all over my English Textbook, beat-up to hell and back from the 1970s, that broke down the parts of the sentences for analysis, labeling, and syntax.

    Anyway, dependent clauses are dependent on a prior sentence. We were taught their importance by taking away prior sentences to make both sentences worthless. We were also taught that positioning matters in emphasis. Position of sentences also matter when you are aiming to swat away incoming objections to your claims.

    You should never use you; you know, you hear, yea you get it, you will get ahead if you understand this.

    “You” is exclusionary to your reader, much better to use “we” or “I”. Worst case scenario you can say “it is” or “one can”. But do so at your own risk, as I believe the professor voices his distaste of such phrasing.

    But if you are in a pinch, just tell him you just go back from Japan! Top secret, but I heard once from a translator that the way people speak in Japanese often translates to “it is” or “one can”, instead of something having an ownership like we do in English. As a western country and language, English celebrates the individuality more than other Asian countries I hear. For example, ‘Why is my life so hard?” would be “Why is life hard”, “He is prejudiced. would become “There is prejudice.” if I am understanding this translator right.

    Then one can argue that they deserve even more points because they are multicultural sensitive in their use of “one can” on paper. No really, try it, this professor likes when his students make arguments. No, I do not guarantee bonus points. He might just laugh at you. But then you can try arguing that you made him laugh and get points that way.

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