Class 14: MON OCT 21

Daily Agenda

The Carpentered Environment

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More Help with Definitions

My Ultrasound Was Rape

Personalized Help with Definitions

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The Coin with Two Heads

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Something from the Bar?

The Bar

64 Responses to Class 14: MON OCT 21

  1. yardie's avatar yardie says:

    Class Notes 10/21/2024

    • The carpentered Environment- your brain influences the way you see things.
    • Because we live in carpentered environments, our brains have trouble seeing the illusion of the window rotating.
    • First drafts are indications of what needs to be done, they are worth nothing.

    Let’s harvest the organs of death row inmates CLAIMS

    • The death row inmate whose organs could save a dozen people, should be used.
    • They are losing their lives anyway.
  2. Softball1321's avatar Softball1321 says:

    Class Notes – 10/21/24

    • Riddle – Naming something does not explain it, it identifies it.
    • In a writing, you are going to see things the way the author intended for you to see it.
    • Inferential claims – claims that sound like facts but are really just opinions based on facts or conclusions drawn from an analysis of facts.
    • Judgment claims – opinions based on values, beliefs, or philosophical concepts.
  3. ChefRat's avatar ChefRat says:

    Class Notes 10.21.24

    • Went over illusions that are shown to only be possible in a certain way, same way you portray your writing to your audience.
    • Went over correct heading, references, and citations.
    • we go over the coin example for a reference of an inferential claim. Allow claims that sound like facts but are actually opinions that are concluded by the analysis of another fact.
    • The video on death row inmates having their organs farmed has some claims we can mention
      – we quantify the life of 12 humans over 1. quantitative claim
      – proposal claim, made at the very end of the video of removing ethics from the question by saying if its a scheduled death, we may as well save lives.
  4. Class notes- figure8clementine

    10/21/24

    • People see almost everything they see as a rectangle because our brains interpret it as a rectangle. The rectangular window frame is actually a one dimensional card, painted to look three dimensional, and is not going back and forth but is spinning in a circle. Our brains tell us that it’s just going back and forth, even when there’s another object rotating through the window frame.
    • reference page in the definition argument shouldn’t be in bold and should be in the center. Add more details to your sources than just links as well. Alphabetized, titles of articles, author of articles, and other information should be there.
    • flipping a coin is usually expected to be 50/50 odds, because that’s what we as people predict to make sense. This does not mean that it’s true but we try to prove its legitimacy. No coin toss after the first should ever be used to determine questions of consequence.
    • “let’s harvest the organs of death row inmates” dehumanizes the death row inmates discussed because it’s almost expected of them to just give up their organs because they committed heinous acts in turn, they supposedly should lose their right to their body.
  5. taco491's avatar taco491 says:

    Class Notes: 10/21/24

    -Willa Cather quote: things that are named sound like a new thing, but that doesn’t explain what it is. Identifying something no one noticed may sound like a new fact, but the thing that was identified was always there. All in all, we can come up with arguments that sounds like a new fact to our readers, but it was always there. It was just not noticed by the readers before.

    -Our minds are prejudice of rectangles. Everything around us seems like rectangles, so our minds constantly interpret many things as rectangles even when they are not. In the illusion, our brains can’t comprehend its rotating in a circle. In all of these illusions, the person who made it set up the conditions in the only way that matters for them. This causes the person looking at the illusion to only see it the way the creator wants them to see it. This relates to our writing because we should make the readers of our arguments agree and see the argument how we see it. This will allow them to agree with us.

    -When editing our arguments make the title a heading, and center it. For references, center that too.

    -First drafts may take a lot of effort and energy to complete, but they are worth nothing when we are near completion of this class.

    -Claims are debatable assertions. There are different kinds of claims, which included factual, inferential, and judgmental claims.

    -In the video that talked about harvesting organs from death row inmates, there is definitely examples of manipulations. This includes…

    • Saying that 1 inmate can save 12 people
    • Saying that scheduled death can renew life
    • includes a judge in the video that makes it seems like he decides
  6. phoenixxxx23's avatar phoenixxxx23 says:

    Class Notes- phoenixxxx23

    -“Give people a new word, and they think they have a new fact”

    -Naming something does not explain it

    -We are used to seeing rectangles everywhere, because we live in the carpentered environment

    Inferential claims might sound like facts, but they are opinions based on facts drawn from an analysis of facts

    -First time flipping a coin and twelwth time are different probability

    -We are not humans with human rights anymore

    -No judge decides

  7. GamersPet's avatar GamersPet says:

    In the Carpenter Environment, it has the same similarities of the concept of writing an article. The illusion behind the Carpenter Environment depends on how the artist wanted their audience to see from a forced angle. It’s the same concept as writers where they have to explain and convinced readers to follow their point of view. People would automatically be prejudice to see the writers point of view so it’s the writers job to try to convinced or inform readers what it is being declared. It comes down to how the author can manipulate, convince, or force the readers perspective to see the same argument by setting up a condition of what really matters.

    For a research paper, it is highly not recommended to put a rhetorical question as a title, and bolded them as well as the reference page. To understand of how to cite is by going to the main page of the counterintuitive home page, then click on the exercise tab, and then lastly click on informal cite to get a brief understanding of how to cite them. The thesis statement in an argumentative essay is a factual claim of one’s assertion based on what that person is claiming to be.

    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      NOT:

      People would automatically be prejudice to see the writers point of view

      THE OPPOSITE:

      Readers are prejudiced to see the world as their experiences have taught them to see it. The writer’s job is to exploit that prejudice OR, if the thesis is counterintuitive, to COMBAT that prejudice.

      3/3

  8. lobsterman's avatar lobsterman says:

    Class Notes 10/21

    Quote of the day- “Give the people a new word, and they think they have a new fact.”

    Continued to go over examples of defintions and watched the “lets harvest the organs of death row inmates” video.

  9. unicorn45678's avatar unicorn45678 says:

    Notes 10/21

    • Does the word gravity explain anything?
    • Why does an object fall down… Because of gravity.
    •  gravity is basically unexplainable 

    The Carpentered Environment 

    • You may think that the window is moving side to side however, it’s just spinning around 
    • We keep mistaking what we see 
    • This window was never dimensional, they just drew it a certain way to trick us 
    • First draft essays are worth nothing…

    Claims of facts

       *helpful tip 

    • We don’t debate claims of fact but we can still refute them on the basis of accuracy 
    • Having to balance between human lives is very unfair..
    • Why do they use death row inmates to harvest organs?
    • They use death row inmates because their going to die anyways, so they become disposable 
    • They’re not human anymore…
  10. imaginary.persona's avatar imaginary.persona says:

    10/21/24

    What Happened:

    “Give the people a new word, and they think they have a new fact”Eraser dropping – gravity

    The carpentered environmentMore help with definitionsThe coin with two heads

    What I got:

    One word cannot explain a whole situation

    Something must be named before it can exist

    Set up the conditions to have your reader see things in the only way it matters.

    What I still have Questions about:

  11. MAD ClTY's avatar MAD ClTY says:

    If you can identify something that everyone hasn’t notice it sounds like you made it exist.

    The Carpentered Environment

    Set up the condition for your reader to understand only one perspective

    APA Notes Title Center, Author Tags, Alphabetical Ordering, and Reference Page Centered

    Coin with Two Heads

    Big claims is the thesis, with many sub thesis provide backing

    (Non-directed Organ Donation) How assumption must be made in the mind for on to jump. into conclusion to one dissessuion

  12. loverofcatsandmatcha's avatar loverofcatsandmatcha says:

    10/21/24

    New Word or New Fact

    • Come up with a way to describe a phenomenon that has not yet been described
    • Performance anxiety has a negative connotation; with a positive connotation, what does that become?
      • This is the job of us in our papers; define your argument
    • Perspective is everything. Trusting what you know to be true is a perspective in itself. (consider the ceiling tiles from any given angle)
    • We only see what we’re looking at, everything else our brain just fills in for us
      • Force your reader to focus on the thing you need them to know; don’t let them get distracted by what is in their peripheral vision
    • Looking at the painting example; know the perspective that your audience is coming in with, and use it to your advantage in the way you present your argument
      • Do not deliberately mislead, but if you are careful with the way you demand their attention, and maintain their focus, you can keep them focused on the things that you deem to be important

    What is What?

    • The intent and the connotation behind your definition can change the argument
    • The background of your argument is another main focal point. Consider murder vs. surgery. Whether or not the recipient has consented, whether or not the surgery was necessary, and where it was performed can all alter the word that would be used

    My Essay Was Dissected

    • I needed a title
    • I need to fix my punctuation
    • Develop one idea per paragraph, don’t let ideas blend
      • Don’t be nervous to break one paragraph into multiple

    Coin with Two Heads

    • Claims of fact can be refuted based on accuracy.
    • (pulled straight from blog, but wanted this to be accessible again): “Factual claims are your evidence, interpretations of evidence are inferential claims, base your recommendations for action on Judgment claims”
    • Regardless of stance, your judgment of something is influenced by outside factors
      • Humans can’t help but have opinions
  13. iloveme5's avatar iloveme5 says:

    Class notes 10/21/24

    • “Give the people a new word, and they think they have a new fact.” This quote is saying that words are already defined they are just not fully described. To explain something that YOU noticed that other people haven’t noticed.
    • We call 20/20 vision perfect but it’s just a saying. Maybe it’s not entirely perfect just a generalization. I know for a fact I am no where near 20/20 lol. Instead we could be more clearly such as “no need of correction”
    • Make your reader focus on the things you need them to know. I wonder if I’ve noticed that happening to me while reading something. Did I actually get what the author was trying to say? Not sure.
    • The video of the illusion that the professor showed us helped me understand my point of view vs what others see and interpret. We are prejudiced to see everything.
    • The video of the perspective when it showed the rooms reminded me of some escape rooms i’ve gone too. Especially because when I went with friends some of easily caught clues/ things while others did not.
    • Goal is that the reader gets a fixed perspective.
    • Almost like you are opening their eyes to what exactly you want them to see. 👁️
    • A paragraph develops one main idea.
    • What I have to fix in mine: Paragraph style, heading level 2, title should be centered, References should be centered, APA citation references + links.
    • My other classes require APA citation and sometimes it is hard to navigate what exactly is needed in every class because it’s all different but I am working towards getting it right.
    • I just saw my feedback comments. I have to make sure to fix everything that was mentioned. I will do so asap!
    • Coin with two heads: I think I would rather bet on tails if its flipped 100 times and landed on heads. The way I am thinking about it is that it has to happen at some point. Although, it is still 50/50.
    • No coin toss should be able to determine life or death thats crazy lol. Your chances will always be 50/50. I now want to watch that movie that the professor mentioned in class.
    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      My other classes require APA citation and sometimes it is hard to navigate what exactly is needed in every class because it’s all different but I am working towards getting it right.

      I understand this seems inexplicable, but the real-world explanation is that every publication (journal, magazine, website, . . . ) has its own “house style” whether identical to APA or derived from it or some other set of rules. Not one of them is CORRECT except for THAT publication. Our blog has its rules too.

      4/3

  14. Starfire04.blog's avatar Starfire04.blog says:

    10/21/24 class notes

    • If you get your readers to be engaged it all depends on how you as the author want your audience to read your argument
    • You want your reader to only see one perspective, create the illusion that there only is one perspective
    • APA: title center, Reference page needs to be centered, shorter paragraphs, and alphabetical order.
    • in case of doing a rewrite you need a definition post and a definition rewrite post
    • claims are the heart of an argument
    • If you flip a coin ten times and it turns heads every time, the eleventh time still feels 50/50. You think the next flip is gonna be tails. There’ still a hope that it will flip tails. A coin is as likely to turn up heads as tails.
  15. student1512's avatar student1512 says:

    The Carpenter Environment:

    • Only see what we’re looking out
    • We will fill in everything else 
    • Make reader focus on thing you need them to know
    • We will see what we want to see
    • Knowing your audience, how they will see what you make, you can alter what you show for such a specific audience.
    • Force a perspective
    • Don’t mislead, demand attention.
    • No extraneous stuff

    More help with definitions:

    • Having a non clear definition can very much lead to moral and other ramifications in the real world. 
    • Add title
    • Develop one main idea
    • Use as much info as necessary for a single point
    • Use references for APA, works cited is MLA
    • Use heading 2
    • Center it
    • References needs to be centered as well, not the links the literal word “references”
    • Break up some paragraphs

    Coin with two head:

    • After first flip, every other is influenced
    • When we think this we start making judgements, skilled arguers start making us draw inferences, leading to judgements.
    • Am I being manipulated into drawing an influence to favor their argument 
  16. chaoslol's avatar chaoslol says:

    Class Notes 10.21.24

    • Perception is very key, there are ways to describe the same thing but from a different perspective
    • Reader’s should only be reading what they should know. As the writer, its our jobs to make sure that the reader has an environment focusing on the topic at hand, and only the topic at hand.
    • Keep readers focused on the important things for our paper
    • Paragraphs shouldn’t be too long, and should also have one main idea within
    • Pulling on the heart-strings and emotions of the reader makes them reconsider ethical and moral values they might have
  17. Mongoose449's avatar Mongoose! says:

    Mongoose Notes – 10/21/2024

    • You have to describe, or maybe call what you are attempting to describe, something. The phrase may change based on what you want, or it may stay the same based on what you’re writing about. Positive ways to rearrange words so that they fit your narrative, even if the meaning or description is exactly the same as the negative.
    • Perspective is key, you must have they focus on what you want them to know, rather than look in the peripheral. You must make them interpret the topic in the way you want them to. A fixed perspective.
    • Conditions must apply for a perspective to be accurate, either those broad or those small.
    • One paragraph per screen, needs to be readable without any straying idea. Only one idea per paragraph.
    • References centered, alphabetical and publicized, with the title having the link.
    • The main title of the argument has to be centered.
    • Definition argument should be two different posts, rather than one which has been revised. It should have the draft be there, while the revisions are the rewrite version that will be improved over time.
    • Claims of Fact: We can refute claims based on accuracy and point toward inaccuracy.
    • Inferential Claims: Sounds like a fact, yet are opinions based on conclusions from analysis of facts. Every argument has parts, and each part of that argument is an argument in itself.
    • Judgmental Claims: Opinions based on values, beliefs, or philosophical concepts. They use inferences to make a conclusion based on their evidence, which may manipulate the reader to believe the writers argument.
  18. pinkduck's avatar pinkduck says:

    Class Notes 10/21

    • “Give the people a new word, and they think they have a new fact” – Come up with a way to describe a phenomenon that hasn’t been described.
    • Carpentered environment – Depending on our perspective of the room, the shapes in the area will look different.
    • When we focus on one thing, we forget about the other things around us.
    • “We only see what we’re looking at.”
    • If you’re prejudice to see a specific shape you will likely only see that shape.
    • Illusion video – Your goal is make sure your reader gets a fixed perspective.
    • If you’re careful about maintaining their attention you can keep them focused on the important stuff (stuff you find important).
    • My ultrasound was rape – Same physical actions can look like one thing depending on the conditions/circumstances.
    • Need a definition and definition rewrite post in order to receive feedback. This allows to see the original and new draft side by side.
    • Try to avoid writing a lot in one paragraph, double check if you’re including more than one main idea into one singular paragraph.
    • Use informal citations when citing your references.
    • Coins with two heads – “Claims are debatable assertions.”
    • Harvest organs of death row inmates video – “Why do we feel okay with not giving the death row inmate a choice on giving his/her organs to donate when they die?”
    • They’re an easy target since they have give up all of their rights.
    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      You earned your 4 with your first Note.

      “Give the people a new word, and they think they have a new fact” – Come up with a way to describe a phenomenon that hasn’t been described.

      5/3

  19. Bruinbird's avatar Bruinbird says:
    • Notes for october 21, 9:30 am class
      • Definition argument – find a new way to describe a phenomenon that’s a little more, unique. 
      • Carpentered environment
        • Being in an environment so much that you don’t recognize it anymore. 
        • Spinning window illusion
          • Oscillating? Rotation?
          • We are prejudiced to see rectangles, so we most often see it oscillating
      • Goal: to set and control the perspective.
        • Demand attention, don’t allow it to wander.
          • Keep them focused on the important things, the things that YOU think are important.
      • The same actions can look very different depending on the conditions it is done under, the circumstances surrounding them.
      • Paragraph size? One paragraph per screen?
      • One paragraph – one mainn idea, if paragraph is too long, double check to make sure it’s one idea and not two
      • “References”
        • Same size as everything else, no punctuation, no bonus capitals, centered, not bold, not underlined.
      • Flipping coins
        • Things in the past very, very often influence our opinions of what we’ll do in the future, and it very often does.
      • When drawing inferences, are you being manipulated to draw favorable inferences for the presenter?
    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      An example would help you remember why you wrote this Note.

      The same actions can look very different depending on the conditions it is done under, the circumstances surrounding them.

      4/3

  20. student12121's avatar student12121 says:

    Class Notes 10/21/24

    Definition arguments are not only to define a word but more so to show a concept. Explain what a concept means to an argument.

    Maintain the readers focus on what you want and remove the distractions.

    The same actions or phrase can look very different depending on the conditions surrounding it. Definitions arguments may just be a framing of a term with a simple definition.

    Past experiences will always affect how a reader will read a certain claim. No matter how separate the experiences and the argument are the past experiences will still alter how the reader sees the argument put before them.

    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      These are smart takeaways, Student, but detached from their particulars, they’re harder to believe. Better Notes would connect the lesson to the example. The concrete is always easier to remember.

      4/3

  21. ChickenNugget's avatar ChickenNugget says:

    Class Notes – 10/21

    • Quote: When talking about this, we clarified how naming something or identifying something does not define it. You can use terms and define them in a way that makes it seem like a new fact to your readers but really it is just bringing something that has always been there to their attention.
    • The Carpentered Environment: Everything is very much based on perspective. You want to focus your readers’ perspective on what you are claiming and arguing and try to block out the things in their peripheral. The video shows us that our bias hinders us from really understanding what we are looking at, just how our brains interpreted the object as a 3D rectangle. It is your goal to make sure your reader gets a fixed perspective. If you are careful about demanding their attention and not allowing their mind to wander on extraneous stuff, you can fix their focus on your argument or definition.
    • My Ultrasound was Rape: A definition problem has been raised about what really defines rape and consent. The same actions look different in different situations.
    • The Coin with Two Heads: Judgement can be affected and manipulative by factual and inferential claims.
  22. Robofrog's avatar Robofrog says:

    Class notes 10/21:

    Quote: we use words to describe phenomenon that haven’t been fully described yet, benefits of anxiety: tuning senses, preparing for stress.

    The Carpentered Environment: don’t pay attention to, but are surrounded by; perspectives can affect how we understand something- for example the ceiling tiles are rectangles but from our perspective looking at them from below, they look like trapezoids; if predacious towards rectangles, then we see rectangles everywhere we go regardless of if they are actually there; the illusion is actually flat and keeps spinning in same direction; keep demanding their attention and keep the reader from wandering off to extra information.

    More Help with Definitions: Definition arguments can be moral arguments, circumstances can affect how something is viewed by others, claims are debatable, a paragraph is supposed to represent a single idea, references is supposed to be no different from other words except being centered, citations and links to sources.

    The Coin with Two Heads: With enough samples it can be used as evidence for a claim, this evidence can affect our opinion.

    Organ Harvest Video: It implies that it would be painless, implies the convict is guilty, implies they should not get a choice in the matter.

    Assignments:

    N/A

  23. pineapple488's avatar pineapple488 says:

    Class notes:

    • A definition argument does not come up with a word everyone already knows, but finds a way to describe a phenomena that people may be unsure about.
    • Defining things can be determined by perspective. For example, a rectangle can look more like a trapezoid or a rhombus depending on how you look at it.
    • We can only see what we are looking at, everything else is vague suggestions made by the brain. You need to make the reader focus on what you want them to know so that their peripheral vision does not play a role.
    • Your bias can get in the way of correctly determining what you are looking at.
    • If you are careful about demanding a readers attention rather than allowing them to wander, you can force them to focus on what you think is important.
    • Definition arguments can have serious ethical and moral ramifications.
    • The same action can look different depending on circumstances. (Ex. murder vs surgery)
    • Paragraphs should not be too long, each one should only contain one main idea.
    • References should be the same size and font as the rest of the text and should not be bold or underlined, but it should be centered.
    • When citing sources, the title can contain the link to the source, and the rest of the citation should be done using the standard citation format with each one alphabetized by the authors’ last names or the title of the article.
    • A factual claim does not necessarily have to be a fact.
    • The past influences our opinion even though it might not mathematically change an outcome.
    • An inferential claim is an opinion based on facts. Even though flipping a coin is 50/50, after landing on heads 100 times in a row you may make an inference that it will be heads again or that it has to be tails this time.
    • Arguments can be manipulative.
  24. Andarnaurram's avatar Andarnaurram says:

    Class Notes 10/21

    -Performance anxiety can be considered a natural way the body prepares itself for a situation

    -The Carpenter Environment- we live in a world of shapes such as rectangles

    -you don’t want the reader to have any “peripheral vision” meaning you want the reader to be able to focus solely on your argument and not see anything else

    -The video shows us that our bias prevents us from fully understanding what is in front of us as we can see that our brains trick us into thinking the block is a 3d object. You should be careful about demanding the readers attention by keeping them focused on the important parts of your arguments.

    -My Ultrasound was Rape: An argument has been made of a definition problem that makes the case about rape and consent. Although an action could be different in certain scenarios it can still be considered that specific definition.

    -Coin with two heads: Factual claims, inferential claims, judgement claims

    -claims are not considered fact but they are often refuted with evidence. Although we are not able to perceive what could happen if the past changed or something that didn’t happen had influenced our opinions can change

    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Pretty vague:

      Although an action could be different in certain scenarios it can still be considered that specific definition

      Under what circumstances would the ultrasound procedure resemble rape?

      4/3

  25. Bagel&Coffee's avatar Bagel&Coffee says:

    Today’s class was very focused on perspective.

    We started with the idea that if you invent a word, you invent a fact. Well, if you “coin a word” as I would put it, it is because you need a shorthand for a larger and more complex concept. I have made this point before, that people use movies and media titles as a shorthand for just this.

    Gaslighting, was not a widespread word used in the average person’s lexicon until maybe 7-ish years ago, or at least that is when I caught wind of many women using it. The word gaslighting isn’t a word in the traditional sense with some Latin or Germanic root. The word as we use it, came from a play that featured a husband who manipulated his wife with lies and trickery in order to gain her inheritance. As shorthand for encountering any situation that resembles the play, someone may concisely covey the idea by saying “gaslight/gaslighting”.

    However, did they actually invent anything? Or did they just give people words to identify something they could not put their finger on?

    Two things come to mind.

    One was a professor from the university of Toronto (who gained popularity and became (in)famous for something he said.) who wrote a bestselling self-help book. However, the book has received criticism for not exactly being groundbreaking with ideas such as life is full of suffering; Buda predates this idea by thousands of years, back in circa 480 B.C.

    Did this professor invent anything? I would say not exactly, this idea and many others of his could be found externally without paying for his book, however I would counter argue that, to his audience, he has a way with words; he was successfully able to convey his observations to them in a way they just could not see or put into words before.

    Two is the example is math. There are a number of people on the internet who ask the question is math invented or was it always there? This is very similar to the above however this time I would come away as something has been invented. Does nature have a brain to do math or is that just how it behaves? Does nature say out-loud “Oh look at this light from this human’s flashlight! I better limit it to 186,000 miles per second.” Was there some intelligence that designed the rules of our natural world?

    In either case, giving people a word gives people a tool. As language has limitations, it is important to give ourselves words to deal with the world we live in, emphasis on words that we need that our ancestors did not need. At least for now, as words is how we communicate now. However, to foreshadow, it there is some exciting things happening in world of science regarding how people communicate versus perhaps how we “ought to”. I’ll keep that ace up my sleeve for now.

    Then we went on to the optical illusions. Again. We watched something akin to the “The dancer optical illusion”, but cooler because it featured one of the biggest science-vid Youtubers Veritasium (My other favorite big Science-tubers being Mark Rober #shameless-plugin #https://www.crunchlabs.com/).

    I must admit I could not unsee the image of the window without the “the rectangle bias”. Even more telling is that I live in a rural area and should be able to see the optical illusion without bias. Beats me.

    Once again, this a metaphor for saying “show your audience a perspective where they cannot see anything else.”

    Which makes a great segue to the harvesting death row inmates organs video. We were told to watch it AND look for other perspectives, specifically how we might be getting manipulated. I watched it and saw nothing. I thought the guy had a good presentation. I did not detect any ladder methods, peer pressure, limited time pressures, shaming, straw-mans, ad hominem, or other common logical fallacies.

    The “answer” to how we are being manipulated is (1.) the math of how many lives we can save and (2.) a judge did not tell inmates they couldn’t donate their organs.

    Let’s start with the first one. The video argues that one person could save twelve with twelve of his organs. According to a quick search 78 organs seems to be a popular answer, with the second most popular being “depends how you count them”. I do not see how math does not add up; how it is not possible to harvest twelve of the many organs?

    As a side note in class, we googled how many people died on death row last year. For some reason there are varying answers on how many people were executed. I am not sure how this came about, as it seems rather obvious what as a death row inmate being executed by the state looks like.

    Next, did a judge say the inmates could not donate their organs? There is an image of a judge in the video, however it does not explicitly say a “judge” said they couldn’t. It just says that inmates are denied under the premise that their organs are unusable. Ok so if a judge didn’t say they couldn’t donate, who did? A quick search appears to point at the legal system. Apparently, some states allow it, and some do not. However, even then it is somehow a rare occurrence, and only in rare conditions are the executed allowed to donate, such as one rare case where the deceased had an organ given to a family member. Ok, so if it legal in some states but not others, why is it so rare? The other issue I found in my quick search is the method of execution, which may not allow for good organs to be harvested, such as death by firing squad putting too many holes though organs that would have been useful otherwise.

    Ok, so a judge didn’t rule this, government legislation did. If so, how am I being manipulated? The outcome is still the same, death row inmates are not able or are not donating organs except in rare circumstances.

    Yes, this one is over my head.

    Are we supposed to argue some philosophical virtue ethics? “Every life is priceless?” or something. Isn’t this for the greater good either way? Isn’t that the argument for the polio vaccine some people will “needlessly pay the price” but its for the greater good of everyone else right?

    The argument of what if we harvest the organ of an innocent man is moot. Why? Because the government is going to kill him no matter what on X date. It is not a question of if harvesting is ethical, that act of THE STATE using firing squad, lethal injection, electric chair, gas chamber, hanging, etc of inmates is THE ethical question. Debating what to do with the dead body afterward is dumb. Burry it, cremate it, harvest its parts? He is already dead. Your ethical concerns would need to stop the death from occurring in the first place.

    Lastly, we did not discuss the status quo. Ask any old person in the U.S. A lot of “seasoned citizens” believe that organ donors do not get good medical treatment. A lot of people believe that organ donors are purposefully failed by doctors so their organs can be harvested. They believe that if they do not give their organs, doctors will be more altruistic because they have nothing to gain by not helping them to the max. This is why we are in this situation in the first place.

    Once again if this video was supposed to show manipulation tactics, I did not see it.

    • davidbdale's avatar davidbdale says:

      Odd that you acknowledge you’re manipulated by the forced perspective approach in optical illusions but can’t see you’re being manipulated by the forced perspective of choosing death row inmates instead of every freaking person to be compulsive organ donors.

      Regarding math inventions, you’d enjoy this book about the invention of Zero.

      5/3

  26. waffles121's avatar waffles121 says:

    Class Notes 10/21

    • The goal of the definition argument is to set up the evidence in a way that allows for the reader to form one perspective.
    • Perspective is malleable depending on the presentation and circumstances of evidence.

    The Carpentered Environment

    • The brain is easily tricked to perceive an illusion a certain way depending on how a visual is depicted to a person.
    • We live in a carpentered environment and are conditioned to see rectangles.
    • This is similar to writing an essay, the reader will see only what is there and then their brain will fill in the rest.
      • Make the reader focus on what you want them to know or takeaway from your essay.
  27. lil.sapph's avatar lil.sapph says:

    10/21

    • Give people a new word, and they think they have a new fact
      • That’s funny people come up with new words to create something that didn’t really exist before
    • Carpentered environment
      • Everything around us we perceive as rectangles, all of the right angles around us 
      • I really like the illusion it was cool to see
    • First drafts don’t really matter, its just a draft
    • The ultrasound rape was very interesting topic, maybe she didn’t know she was going for a transvaginal ultrasound instead of just an external ultrasound
    • Coin toss, while every flip is separate 50/50 its just for a coin, but tha coin cant be exactly 50/50 if it lands on heads all of the time, something/ someone is making it land on heads therefore that specific coin cant be 50/50
    • Organ donation
      • I don’t see why prisoners wouldn’t be able to give their organs if they really are going to die anyway. It is only like a few that get the death penalty (unlike china) and if its such a big deal just let them couple people do it, but also who wants their organs like, theyre probably not the best anyway. We could be getting organs from other people . 
  28. GOAT81's avatar GOAT81 says:

    class note 10/21

    • quote:- “Give the people a new word, and they think they have a new fact,”
    • To use definition rewrite instead of definition for assignment.
    • flipping a coin, Heads, or Tail there will be only one outcome.
    • Harvesting organs from death row inmates is a contentious and morally challenging matter. It raises issues of consent, human rights, justice, and the ethics of organ donation.
    • The illusion only some people can see: There are some well-known illusions that only certain people can understand at first look, or that seem differently depending on how your brain processes the image.
  29. KFury205's avatar KFury205 says:

    10/21

    To start we have a new quote of the mornin, “Give the people a new world and they think they have a new fact” From Willa Cather. This is a very simplified version of our definition argument explaining that when we invent or figure out something in our world we make our readers feel like we gave them a new fact to share.

    We then talk about perceptive and interpretation with the use of a shaded, 2D window frame that is styled to look 3D in our eyes even with a person or object inside it.This is to demonstrate how our brains shift perspectives all the time and that all it needs is the right point of view of what the object or subject is to shift it just enough for it to seemout of place but normal.Its a very odd and satifity affect done by just a sheet of paper and a talented artist with some paint.

    We then begin to look over people definition arguments, just to notice after all we’ve learned what to change and how to represent a essay in an appropriate fashion.Those could be adding a proper title, No bolds, fixing the references and how there represented in APA Citations and overall critiquing authors on any mistakes possible.(Respectfully… Respectfully)

  30. Elongated lobster's avatar Elongated lobster says:

    Notes-

    The mind may have a subconscious prejudice towards rectangles due to the nature of the world around us. In more developed areas, right angles, and especially rectangles, are seen in almost everything from doors to shelves, to windows. This can make the brain want to see the illusion and prevent people from seeing the rotating window frame for what it is. This can be seen as a conditioning of sorts in the brain as in if the brain expects to see something, there are times that the brain will make you see it even when it is not there. This shows that everything can be a matter of finding the right perspective. What may be seen as wrong in the eyes of one person could be the best option in the eyes of another. This can be used in writing because just as the illusion is made to make the brain see what it wants, a piece of writing can be written in such a way as to alter the perspective of another in order to make them see what they want them to see. The video that talked about harvesting death row inmate’s organs creates an argument for it by framing it in a sense that draws on both ethos and logos by saying that 12 people can be helped through the use of only 1 inmate, drawing on a positive saying that just one person can help many others and that makes it both worth it and okay.

    Make the title a heading and center it for the revisions

  31. PRblog24's avatar PRblog24 says:

    Class Notes 21 October 2024

    • Illusions can change our perspective on what we believe things may be.
    • The reader should only be reading information that is needed for the topic.
    • Set up conditions to insure your readers are seeing your point as you would like them to.
    • First draft is not worth anything, as there is always room for room for changes and improvements.
  32. SkibidySigma's avatar SkibidySigma says:

    Class Notes for 10/21

    • Performance anxiety – This is something everyone gets before speaking in front of people. Some people say it’s actually helpful because it keeps you focused. The professor suggests calling it “performance preparation” instead of “anxiety” to make it sound positive like it’s your body getting ready instead of freaking out.
    • Carpentered environment – Since we live in a world full of rectangles, our brains are pretty much trained to see them everywhere, even if they’re not actually there. This messes with how we see things, like the spinning window illusion that looked like it was just going back and forth. In writing, it’s kind of the same—you need to make readers focus on what you want them to see and ignore the stuff on the side.
    • We don’t actually see everything around us clearly, just the thing we’re focused on. The rest is “filled in” by our brain. The professor compared this to writing: our job is to keep readers focused on the point we’re making and not let their attention wander to random details.
    • “My Ultrasound Was Rape” – This essay argues that some state-required invasive ultrasounds are basically coerced, which the writer calls state-sponsored assault. The whole thing depends on how you define consent and coercion, which is a big part of why definitions are important—they can have real-world impacts.
    • Claims in arguments:
      • Factual claims – Statements that sound like facts.
      • Inferential claims – Interpretations of those facts.
      • Judgment claims – Opinions based on values or beliefs.
    • Death row organ donation video – This video suggests that one person’s organs could save multiple lives, framing it like it’s logical or “just makes sense.” But it’s manipulative because it makes us feel like death row inmates have no choice or rights left, so why not just use their organs?

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